と言(い)う訳(わけ)ではないIt is not that, It doesn't mean that, It is not always the case

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  seanblue

  it is not that
  it doesn’t mean that
  it is not always the case

  Structure

  • Verb + というわけではない
  • Noun + というわけでない
  • いAdj + というわけではない
  • なAdj + だ + というわけでない

  [Used to deny that something mentioned earlier is not a reason for something・to state uncertainty about something・to state that something is not always the case]

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  seanblue

  @mrnoone I’m hoping you can help with some confusion I have on this. Usually nouns and na-adjectives follow the same grammar pattern, but here nouns don’t include だ where the na-adjectives do. However, some sentences seem to handle this inconsistently and still put だ after the noun. Can you explain this? For example:

  全てのキノコが毒菌だというわけではない。

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  mrnoone

  Hey

  The answer is simple, the だ is optional. You can include it or not. Both ways are correct.

  Hope it helps

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  seanblue

  苦情というわけではなく、提案です。

  @mrnoone Is there a reason I can’t say じゃなくて or any other variation of that as an answer?

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  mrnoone

  Hey!

  All forms are correct:

  苦情というわけではなく、提案です。＝ sounds like written document/ very formal speech
  苦情というわけではなくて、提案です。＝polite speech
  苦情というわけじゃなく、提案です。= friendly (くだけた) speech

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  (if we are speaking about じゃなくて and the like) then those are correct (without any context), but it would mean a slightly different thing. (in this case, there is no context, but there is a hint, though ultimately we want to add context in every sentence that needs it, especially in this case. Sorry for the inconvenience )

  じゃなくて is much more assertive than わけではない (which can be used to say that something is not 100% certain.)
  Also, わけ means “reason”. So it basically means, “it is not the reason (your claim) for” something (what I did). It is used when rebutting someone’s claim.

  context, parents try to feed you something you don’t like:...

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  seanblue

  The hint wasn’t available when I answered (since I have it hidden by default) and it marked me wrong right away instead of showing the hint.

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  mrnoone

  Made it so that it will show hint from now on!

  I will add context to every sentence in this grammar point within this week!. It should solve the problem in the best way.

  Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for the feedback!

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  FredKore

  Can someone help explain the differences with these? In my head, they’re all “it doesn’t mean that ~” but I often get marked wrong without a nudge.

  わけではない
  というわけではない
  ことにはならない
  ということにはならない

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  Melanthe

  Seconding (and bumping) this question

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  mrnoone

  @Melanthe @FredKore
  Those two are very similar expressions.

  There is a strong tendency to use ことにはならない with ても and からといって(からって). As in:
  AからといってBことにはならない
  A[ても]Bことにはならない
  It is fairly uncommon to use it without those two constructions in the preceding clause (part of sentence). It is also more often used in refuting general statements. So it is a more limited expression, but basically interchangeable with (という)わけではない.

  わけではない can be used with からと言って and 「ても」 but it is not a requirement and it is quite common without those. わけではない is generally used when refuting/disagreeing with a statement of the interlocutor (a person we are talking with). It can be also used when refuting general statements and as a very indirect way of refusing. So it has more use-cases. But I would say it is also generally interchangeable with ことにはならない.

  When it comes to という, it is generally used ...

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  Scyamntic

  My brain often wants to use:

  という事ではない

  in place of:

  という訳ではない

  Is there a strong difference between the two? The most I can figure, is a fuzzy difference between “the thing” and “the reason”. The interwebs seem to think they are largely interchangeable but with some difference in nuance.