んだけどBut..., And...

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  Pushindawood

  but…
  and…

  Structure

  • Phrase + ん + だけ ( れ ) ど （、Phrase2）。
  • Phrase + ん / の + ですが （、Phrase2）。

  Versions without ん/の are also acceptable but sound old-fashioned

  [Used when the speaker wants to ask for advice about something, request something, etc.・ ほしい、たい、ようと思う、予定 etc. are often used in Phrase1]

  [Phrase2 is often omitted if the speaker feels it might be obvious, too frank (often when refusing or stating an opinion), would cause embarrassment for the speaker or listener(s), etc.]

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  deltacat3

  In this example sentence is the subject particle が being omitted in between これ and ほしい?

  これほしいんだけど(高い)。
  I want this, but… (it is expensive).

  While I still was able to parse the sentence because of its simple context, does this mean its safe to assume that a particle can be omitted if its clear from the context?

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  seanblue

  In casual situations this is sometimes done. Probably best not to omit particles when you’re practicing so you don’t get into bad habits though.

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  deltacat3

  Ah! thanks again @seanblue!
  And yes I agree, best to avoid its use until one is absolutely confident. For now its just nice to be aware that this is a known phenomenon, and not a mistake, nor something else entirely.

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  Ambo100

  There is information about のだ in DBJG page 325

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  Pushindawood

  @Ambo100 Hey! We included page 325 of DBJG under んです・のです. Do you think that it needs to be included in this grammar point as well? Cheers.

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  Ambo100

  The example section there includes some uses of んですが, I think it might be worth including.

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  Brand_S

  I just encountered this grammar point. I can tell already that this is one of those areas where I’m at a tremendous disadvantage in learning Japanese because I’m autistic. In all of the example sentences that put Phrase2 in parentheses, I couldn’t even begin to guess the parenthetical form.

  Maybe this is part of a broader point: how can I make it easier to grasp what Japanese people are really saying when so much of real Japanese speech is structured around avoiding it?

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  mrnoone

  @Brand_S
  Hey and sorry for the late answer

  Don’t worry about that! The thing that is important is the general idea
  If you hear だけど、ですが and so on at the end of sentence you just need to know that speaker shows “hesitation” to make the sentence mor...

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  Brand_S

  Thanks a ton; that makes perfect sense!

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  Yryrdz

  So I just want to make sure here; the only difference between this and just regular だけど/ですが is that the ん/の alludes to a sense of hesitation? Because otherwise I am very confused.

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  ggw1776

  Am I the only one who finds the way the hints for this grammar super confusing? After a long time of not seeing it, the extra “implied” part of the sentence totally throws me off and I end up getting it wrong, even though I use (maybe overuse) this grammar daily

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  Megumin
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  Megumin

  Sorry for the ping, but since it’s a muted category, might not get visibility of those who maybe can chip in.

  @Asher @mrnoone

  Seems, like I’m not the only one who finds confusion on some of the phrases in that grammar point, as also was something @ggw1776 pointed out.

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  mrnoone

  Hey @Megumin

  I am going to fix the confusing sentences today.

  Cheers

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  Megumin

  Thanks so much! I appreciate it.

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  mrnoone

  @Megumin

  I have improved the translations a bit.

  Cheers

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  Megumin

  Thanks!
  Now if I get them wrong feels more like it will be a problem with my brain than just being confused.

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  Megumin

  @mrnoone

  The questions are updated on the grammar point but on the lesson it still appears like they used to be. Do you know if there’s some sort of weird cache going on?
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  Superpnut

  I have a question about the red squared caution information.

  " Caution - んだが, or simply だが is probably the ‘strongest’ out of these possibilities, and is considered quite masculine. If you are going to use this form, we recommend making sure that your tone is a bit softer, so that it does not sound too authoritative. "

  When it says it is quite masculine does that mean that two men would use that form when talking to each other? Or I guess…what makes it masculine? Would it be rude for a girl to say it or for it to be said to a girl?