Grammar Info

N1 Lesson 8: 11/19

にしたところでEven, Even for, Even from the perspective of, Even in the case of

Structure

Noun + にしたところで(1)

Less formal:
Noun + にしたって(2)

(1)としたところで
(2)としたって

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About にしたところで

にしたところで or としたところで are two expressions that are used to indicate the hypothetical situation of (A), from within which the result of (B) will not change. These structures primarily express a lack of power over the ultimate result, or a lack of significant difference between (A) and any other potential choice. Translations include 'even in the case of (A), (B)', or 'even for (A), (B)'.

These structures combine either of the case-marking particles と or に with the past tense of する, した, the noun ところ, used for marking the situation, and the case marking particle で. It will directly follow nouns or noun-modified phrases.

These patterns can be thought of more simply as a combination of にする 'going with (A)' or とする 'as (A)', and the たところで 'even if (A), not (B)' grammar structure that indicates negative outcomes.

In casual situations, たところで will occasionally be replaced with たって.

Examples

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    彼(かれ)は非常(ひじょう)に深刻(しんこく)な状態(じょうたい)だ。天才(てんさい)医師(いし)のジャックにしたところで何(なに)もできない。

    He is in very serious condition. Even the genius-doctor Jack cannot do anything.

    小説(しょうせつ)：「ホロは賢(かしこ)い神(かみ)だという。もっとも彼女(かのじょ)としたところで普通(ふつう)人間(にんげん)と同(おな)じように孤独(こどく)を感(かん)じる日(ひ)もあるが。」

    Novel: 'Holo is said to be a wise god. However, even for her, there are days when she feels lonely like an ordinary human.'

    新(しん)首相(しゅしょう)は前(ぜん)首相(しゅしょう)を批判(ひはん)したが、彼(かれ)にしたって国(くに)の経済(けいざい)を好転(こうてん)させられるわけではない。

    The new prime minister criticized the previous one, but it does not mean that even he can change the country's economy for the better.

    誰(だれ)にでも欠点(けってん)はある。完全(かんぜん)な田中(たなか)さんとしたって同(おな)じだ。

    Everyone has faults. It is the case even for the perfect Tanaka.

    最高(さいこう)の監視員(かんしいん)にしたところでプールなどで全(すべ)ての者(もの)の安全(あんぜん)を見守(みまも)るのは不可能(ふかのう)だ。

    Even for the best lifeguard, it is impossible to watch over everybody in the pool.

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      にしたところで – Grammar Discussion

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      • jelly1

        jelly1

        Some of the としたところで/としたって examples follow 〜た form verbs but this isn’t explained anywhere on the page. It would be nice to have this clarified.

        Can にしたところで/にしたって also follow verbs as well?

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